Bank On This! (How to Stop Fighting About Money)

How to Stop Fighting About Money

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Today, Joanne Miller joins us again to share how she and Dan have gone years without a money fight. What a perfect follow-up to Derek's post from Monday!  Be sure to share your money and marriage stories in the comments!

Let’s face it. The number one argument on the frequency scale that most couples have is about money.

I can hear your head nodding as you are reading. I certainly know it was often a bone of contention for us. I lost count of how many Christmas holidays rolled around when Dan and I would have our annual battle over how many gifts I wanted to buy for family members….and friends…..not to mention all the gifts I wanted to pile under our tree from Santa and from us.

Oh yes, money was an issue for us. For many years, in fact.

Until we came up with THE PLAN.

Best thing we ever did for our marriage and if you are a husband reading this, listen up!

Writing from the woman’s point of view, and from a Christian perspective, I think a married woman who doesn’t have her own checking account is a recipe for marital disharmony.

Now I know all the scripture about becoming one flesh and so on. But I don’t really think there is a passage in the Good Book that addresses separate versus joint bank accounts. And for many years I never considered having my own account. After all, I didn’t have a job outside the home so I didn’t have income. So why would I have a checking account?

We always had a joint account but that meant everything I spent I was accountable for. And vice versa. Everything had to be justified and talked about and sometimes argued about. But once Dan and I figured out THE PLAN, we haven’t had a money argument in years.

Not a one. THE PLAN really works!

THE PLAN

First we looked at an average of our monthly output on groceries including toiletries, cleaning and laundry products which were sometimes bought at separate stores.

We itemized what I spent on getting my hair done, manicures, pedicures (these were AFTER the kids were out of the house. Before that I did my own), and we estimated what I needed for gifts for birthdays, anniversaries, Christmas, etc.

We looked at what we spent on clothes and shoes and estimated that for a year and after totaling up all those expenses, we came up with a yearly total, divided that by twelve months and padded it a little for unexpected needs and came up with a monthly figure we could both agree on.

We decided I would “get paid” twice a month, the first and the fifteenth. I didn’t have to ask for it, it was just given to me in a check or transferred into my account. As the years have passed, I have occasionally asked for a pay increase and sometimes even had to have an advance. But this system was so freeing for both of us that I don’t think we ever made a more important change in our habits that has so greatly relieved stress and frustration.

Here’s why THE PLAN was important in our marriage.

Every time I needed money, whether it was for some extra groceries, school supplies for the kids, a gift for a baby shower, I felt like a little child going to my Daddy asking if he could please give me the money.

It felt demeaning to me. Sometimes I would feel on the defensive and like I had to justify why I needed this money and hope he approved. Our discussions about money were always frustrating to both of us.

When we decided to have me open my own account I felt like a weight had been lifted from my shoulders. I no longer have to ask for money.

I keep my checkbook balanced to the penny and I know how to stretch a dollar that makes my husband proud. If I want to buy a gift for a friend or take a grandchild to the movie I don’t have to wonder where the money will come from.

I manage my own finances and it is a great feeling. I don’t handle the mortgage, gas in my car (he knows I hate to fill up), insurance, and major purchases for the house or a car. Dan handles that.

Now at Christmas I have money to spend however I want because I even have my own savings account. We still have a joint account and Dan has his various business accounts.

I happily “get paid” twice monthly and account only to myself for how that is spent. Yep! Best thing we ever did for our marriage. It’ll make you feel like a real grown up.

I highly recommend it.

Joanne Miller has been happily married for over four decades to career coach and author Dan Miller (48 Days To the Work You Love).  She has authored four children’s books and has a new book for grown ups co-authored with artist Dorsey McHugh called Be Your Finest ArtShe and Dan have three grown children and twelve grandchildren and lots of years living the entrepreneurial roller-coaster life of adventure!

The worst day of my life; the story of a terrible fiancé.

The worst day of my life; the story of a terrible fiancé.Today I'm psyched to introduce you to Derek Olsen, who, in addition to continuously calling me out about why I haven't launced the Confessions of a Terrible Husband Podcast yet (it will be up very, very soon!), is a friend and marriage voice who is going to be spending some time over here.

Derek and his wife Carrie are rock stars in the Money and Marriage world, focusing quite a bit about how to talk with your spouse about money.

Be sure to welcome Derek to the family over here and connect with him on his blog and podcast.  The links to both are below.

And also be sure to sign up for their mailing list and they'll send you a cool e-book on how to start talking with your spouse about money.

Derek: “You own a house in Oklahoma?”

Carrie: “Yeah.”

Derek: “So… about that house, what are your plans now that you live in Kansas City?”

Carrie: “Well, my renters stopped paying and moved out. I’m behind on the payments and the bank is trying to foreclose.”

Derek’s thoughts: CRAP! Will the sheriff drag us off to jail? Are we going to appear in court? Will we be bankrupt? Man, I thought the house was going to be a positive and now it looks like marrying Carrie could be a financial disaster for me!

Derek’s feelings: I was terrified. I was angry. But I was in love and we were engaged.

Derek’s words: “This is the worst day of my life.”

Yes, I said that to my fiancé.

I told her she was responsible for the worst day of my life.

Sounds like something a terrible fiancé would say.

Fast-forward an entire, financially devastating year. We’re married. We managed to arrange a short sale on the house. It hurt, it was expensive, but the house is just a memory now.

Aside from the dreadful details of arranging a short sale, I want to tell you how this disaster affected our relationship.

I never would have believed it on that terrible day, the day I said those awful words to my fiancé, but our marriage is better now because of what we went through.

Our first year of marriage was like teamwork boot camp for newlyweds. We had only known each other eighteen months and were already depending on each other to survive one of the worst financial disasters a couple can experience. We set aside petty disagreements and focused on what was important.

Because we made it through such a tough time we are closer and better able to handle challenges that come our way.

We had to learn how to communicate on a level that I never knew existed.

Within the first six months of our marriage we had all the possible conversations about money. All of them! We laid it all out there on the table. We had to just to make it through the first year of our marriage. There wasn’t anything that we didn’t talk about.

Highlights include…

  • The “What the freak were you thinking” talk.
  • The “I have no idea what’s going on and I’m scared” talk.
  • The “Okay, this sucks and I’m not happy, but I’m going to support you” talk.
  • The “We are going to make it through this” talk.

And the grand finale, the “I’m committed to you and would walk through the scariest places on Earth with you” talk.

Those conversations were intense and necessary just to survive our first year of marriage. The communication skills that we acquired continue to serve us well to this day.

We learned what is really important

The short sale cost us around $16,000 and hundreds of hours of paperwork, worrying, and wishing it would all just stop.

Five years later it’s like it never happened. Well, almost. What I mean is, time has a funny way of sorting out what is truly important. Even things that were awful at the time fade away eventually.

When everything crumbles away you are left with what’s important. Carrie and I are doing great. We have a new place to live and a six-month old baby girl to love.

We can handle the bumps in the road much better now, and all because we survived such a difficult experience.

Financial disasters end marriages all the time. That is a terrible truth to face.

But the challenges you’re facing, or avoiding, can make your marriage stronger. Face them straight on, together. Your marriage can handle more than you think.

What doesn’t kill a relationship can only make it stronger. If you find yourself in a tough spot, fight! Don’t let anything steal your future away from you.

OK, that sounds a little like Dr. Phil on weed… What I mean to say is this: the conversations you have about the challenges in your relationship can make your marriage better.

Having better conversations about money can strengthen every other department of your marriage, not just the finance department.

Carrie and I start helpful conversations on money and marriage each week on our podcast.

4 1/2 Conversation Starters

If you would like some help starting the conversation on money, download our free e-book 4 ½ Conversations Starters.

(And no, the Sheriff never did drag us off to jail, but I really did think that might happen. I’ve never been foreclosed on so how would I know.)

-Derek Olsen

3 things I’ve learned since taking control of my story.

3 things I've learned since taking control of my story.In May 2013 I was in a lot of pain.  I was uncomfortable. I was unsure. Confused.

The only thing I was sure about was that something needed to change. Something big.

And I knew I needed to start with me.

I had been lost in a sea of success without significance, thinking that one more win, one more client, one more accolade, would be just what I needed for my family to achieve peace.

I had to find my way. I had to finally become an effective leader at home. And someone who I would want my children to model.

I was really, really nervous. I knew what I had to do. But I didn't know what to do or how to do it.

And I was really worried that it might be too late.

I looked around me and saw heartache. I looked carefully for people who had done what I had been doing and stayed married for decades to their first spouse.

The numbers were terrible. Out of hundreds of couples less than five couples had done what I had been doing and been married for 25 years or more. To this day I can think of two.

My suspicions were confirmed.

I had to change. Big time.

I knew it wasn't going to be easy. But I knew it would be worth it.

The first month was tough. I had just committed to working tirelessly to improve my marriage and surround myself with people whose marriages looked like what I wanted mine to become.

People like Dan and Joanne Miller.  People like Kent and Kathy Julian.

In person and online.  From hanging out with friends watching sports and complaining about their nagging wives, I shifted my time to reading and watching real businesspeople who had strong marriages.

People like Michael Hyatt, Jon Acuff, Jeff Goins.

These are people who were succeeding in business and in life.

I have learned more about marriage and business just watching those folks go about their regular routine in a way that models family first and having your priorities straight than I could imagine learning in a leading MBA program.

Sometimes I'd get frustrated when I caught myself comparing where I was to where they were. I was doing well in business, but on shaky ground, and struggling mightily at home.

They were thriving in business and life.

And then eight words from Jon Acuff echoed through me:

Never compare your beginning to someone else's middle — Jon Acuff

There were several areas in which I was in the middle of my story. Most of them had to do with law or business.

But in marriage I may have been 5 years in, but I was still at the beginning of my story.

So instead of becoming frustrated by comparison I became motivated by aspiration.

I knew that each of those couples had worked hard anywhere from a few years to almost five decades prioritizing marriage over anything else.

And because of that, they achieved success in both marriage and business.

I had just spent 5 years doing the opposite.

Their relationships were not a relevant comparison to mine.

I was still in the beginning of my story.

I've learned three things over the last year and a half since I took control of my story:

1. It can and does get better.

2. Marriages have seasons.

Some are more hectic than others. Some have a lot of responsibilities like kids, work, or extended family obligations. Some have less. But a lot of the important details like how you treat your spouse with the time you have are controllable in any season – and that's what matters most.

3. Finally, comparisons are rarely helpful.

You will never find a comparison that is accurate. So stop looking. A vacation picture on Facebook is just that – a snapshot. Your life is not a snapshot. It's a movie. A long story.

And if you catch yourself making a comparison, remember that you may be in a different season in life or marriage than that person.

So instead of comparing yourself with other people and getting frustrated, surround yourself with people who prioritize the things you want to prioritize and provide information that will lead you there. Take their examples as something to aspire to, rather than become frustrated by comparison.

Turn your comparisons into aspirations and start heading intentionally in that direction.

Never, ever compare your beginning to other people's middle.

You'll get there too.

Because one truth remains.

No matter what season of life you're in, today is the beginning the rest of your story.

Giveaway! Enter for a Chance to Win 1 of 10 Autographed Copies of Dan Miller’s 48 Days to the Work You Love (and more!)

I just entered the first giveaway contest at Confessions of a Terrible Husband!In May 2013 I was working my way up the corporate ladder.  I had a great job and made great money.  But something was missing.

I enjoyed my work when I was there.  I loved what I did.  But the hours were voluminous and unpredictable. I was called into the office during birthdays, worked 46 hours from vacation, and had to cancel (or refused to commit to) countless dinners and day trips.

My job came first.

And while we all go through seasons of life where work takes up more time or energy than other parts of your life, I was about to start my tenth year of that.

That's a long season.

So when it was time for me to make a change not just any job would do.

I knew where I wanted to be. And I knew what I wanted my job to look like.

I knew another law firm was out of the question.

And I knew the type of law I would practice needed to change.  After 10 years.

Changing up where and how I practiced law was one of the biggest positive influences on improving my marriage.

I now work a very-predictable schedule that permits me to be home and plan things with my family.

And I want to help you find or create work you love just like I did.

You spend way too much time working for you to be stuck doing something that you hate.

So I bought 10 autographed copies of Dan Miller's 48 Days to the Work You Love and am giving them all away!

I want to help 10 of you find or create work that you love!  Be sure to check in and let me know how it goes!

Here's how you can enter! Good luck!